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Old 11-18-2011   #1
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Default Specialist + Hardline

I've noticed a lot of people are using Hardline as their default perk on Specialist classes & even popular Youtubers have been suggesting it. Unless you get a lot of assists (and have Hardline Pro) it's counter-productive. For the purposes of comparison we'll say Hardline isn't a perk.

No Hardline:
0 kills - 3 perks
2 kills - 4 perks
4 kills - 5 perks
6 kills - 6 perks
8 kills - All Perks

With Hardline:
0 kills - 2 perks (Hardline)
1 kills - 3 perks
3 kills - 4 perks
5 kills - 5 perks
7 kills - All perks

With Hardline as Specialist perk #3:
0 kills - 3 perks
2 kills - 4 perks
4 kills - 5 perks
6 kills - 5 perks (Hardline)
7 kills - All perks




Edit:
To clarify, option #1 or #3 (I prefer the latter) are the most useful. Option #2 can be if you have Hardline Pro & rely on assists to unlock pointstreaks.
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Old 11-18-2011   #2
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I used it as a default exclusively to get the pro version as quickly as possible. Now I use it as the 2 kill reward.
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Depends on the class. With SMGs I run Hardline and Assassin as my 1st tier... but I'm just a noob!
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i dont understand what ur on about, i use hardline as my tier 2 perk and run the specialist package.. are u saying what im doing is hurting me?
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I think he/she is saying that if you are using Hardline as a perk you are down 1 perk straight away as the Hardline perk is taking up a valuable slot. So using the hardline perk in a specialist strike combo is not useful until you get the 7th kill.

However, having hardline somewhere (eg either as specialist 2,4,6 kill perk or as a default perk) is still better than not having at all otherwise it takes 8 kills to unlock all perks.
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Some people would prefer to get their first perk on the first kill. However the better players are confident they can get 7 kills in a row so they are able to put Hardline later in the chain and still have all perks by 7.

Also, getting 1 kill before dying is far easier than 2 for bad players. It's a 1 kill killstreak so it helps your challenges and gets you a bit of extra XP as well.

So I can see the bad players using Hardline to start so they just need 1 kill for Assassin.

Btw this is what I do, don't hurt me.
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Lol, I use hardline so I can get assassin as well! It helps me flank without being noticed and get the other perks. I hear what you're saying tho, I'll try replacing it in my 3rd slot 7 kills is a must for specialist.
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Use Hardline as your 3rd Spec perk. I have found that to get me the most success and the fastest way to get All Perks.
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Using hardline with specialist is beatly to me. Cap the dom flag, boom another perk. And as you stated, Ive noticed i get plenty of assists, so when I get 2 assists, boom another perk. It just seems to work for me.
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So does that mean if I start with Hardline I can drop the MOAB at 23 kills instead of 24?
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I use hardline pro from start when using specialist, and then I get 1 kill straight into quikcdraw pro. The assists help, and not having it equipped at all (I.E after 8 kills) Is pretty pointless. I do get what your saying however, I think if you don't have hardline pro then it makes sense to use something else in tier 2.
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Caping a point in DOM gives you point towards your killstreaks and so does shooting down a UAV. but remember to ditch the rocket launcher afterwards because you are only as fast as the heaviest weapon you possess.
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Using hardline with specialists gets you your 4th perk after 1 kill. Yes please. I don't really see how it can be argued against.
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I just use hardline as default, then I can get my assassin in one kill, and those pesky UAVs will be gone. Forever.
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I just use hardline as default, then I can get my assassin in one kill, and those pesky UAVs will be gone. Forever.
Or you could have Assassin as default.
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Using hardline with specialists gets you your 4th perk after 1 kill. Yes please. I don't really see how it can be argued against.
With Hardline (not Pro) I earn my 3rd useful perk after 1 kill, without it I already have it when I spawn & I have to wait an extra 1 kill for each useful perk. And since I'm not in the habit of getting a lot of assists, the only reason I'd need Hardline Pro is to reduce when I get ALL perks from 8 kills to 7, so why just have it as my final Specialist perk?

Of course if you do rely on Assists, then by all means have Hardline Pro as a default perk.
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So does that mean if I start with Hardline I can drop the MOAB at 23 kills instead of 24?
No, it reduces MOAB from 25 kills to 24.
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